{"id":6192,"date":"2010-10-05T10:36:16","date_gmt":"2010-10-05T14:36:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/comicscomicsmag.com\/?p=6192"},"modified":"2010-10-05T10:36:16","modified_gmt":"2010-10-05T14:36:16","slug":"canned-riff","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/comicscomicsmag.com\/?p=6192","title":{"rendered":"Canned Riff"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/robot6.comicbookresources.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/Forming.jpg?resize=461%2C206\" alt=\"\" width=\"461\" height=\"206\" \/><\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>I found this list written in my notebook. It was a cheat sheet for an interview on <a href=\"http:\/\/inkstuds.com\/?p=3037\">Inkstuds<\/a>. We ran out of time before I could get to these riffs, so I am posting them here before they become too stale.<br \/>\n<\/strong><br \/>\n-Webcomics are good for gags only\/contained stories for that screen, that day. They work like one pagers essentially; serialized stuff does work in theory but I&#8217;ve only read a few I actually like.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;<a href=\"http:\/\/jimrugg.blogspot.com\/\">Jim Rugg<\/a> discussion about imaginary audiences. Jim&#8217;s always talking about finding the audience who would read zombie comics or something popular and trying to devise schemes to get them to be his readers &#8220;How do you tap into these people cuz you know they would love this kind of story I&#8217;m doing&#8221; &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wizzywigcomics.com\/\">Ed Piskor<\/a> does same and finds that real\/imaginary audience.<\/p>\n<p>-Jesse Moynihan did the <a href=\"http:\/\/jessemoynihan.com\/?p=11\">most amazing comic online<\/a> but no one talks about it &#8211; if it was a book and laying around in the store, maybe people would write\/talk about it more?<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>&#8211;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.copaceticcomics.com\/comics\/1085\">Bodyworld<\/a> the book not talked about much &#8211; (sorry Dash, just trying to make a point) This was a <a href=\"http:\/\/dashshaw.com\/bodyworld.html\">webcomic<\/a> which was followed closely but lots of folks told me they didn&#8217;t want to read it online and wanted to wait for book &#8211; book seemed to not generate that much discussion at first and maybe still &#8211; review by<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2010\/07\/18\/books\/review\/Wolk-t.html\"> Wolk in the Times<\/a> looked at formal play &#8211; but it&#8217;s interesting because I wonder if the format\/price point (28 bux) just discouraged quick easy sales. Meaning it wasn&#8217;t taken home and then blogged about. It was blogged about while it was happening sort of but everyone was &#8220;waiting for the trade&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>-Interesting to think about how regular series still builds excitement differently than even webcomics: people wrote\/talked about Moynihan and Shaw&#8217;s webcomics but it&#8217;s just different than the build up around series like <em>Night Business<\/em>, <em>King City<\/em>, <em>Prison Pit<\/em> or <em>Powr Mastrs<\/em>. It&#8217;s obvious that the graphic-novel-length squarebound issue is about the equivalent of a 24-page comic book pamphlet &#8211; <em>Prison Pit<\/em> has a episodic but contained feel is just like most contained but continuing serialized comics &#8211; yet it&#8217;s way different in feel than <em>Bodyworld<\/em> being serialized every week and then coming out as a book. So, there are all these little ways that say the more we march towards digital comics the more we still lean on the print serial to set the pace.<\/p>\n<p>-Would comparing another webcomic success story to a print serial like <em>Prison Pit<\/em> make a difference? Is it just an apples and oranges thing? How many successful print cartoonists do you know that gave it up and are mostly just successful webcartoonists now? Meaning the more I watch my friends try to adapt to really doing webcomics full time I just wonder if that is the solution to finding that imaginary audience that is out there.<\/p>\n<p>-Stand alone graphic novels suffer the instant thumbs up\/thumbs down review. With so many comics news blogs now some schmuck always needs to be first out of the gate with a review. Before I even see it in the store! Used to be you&#8217;d wait months for a review to pop up in the Journal or something. So opinion would form around the book in the store, amongst friends. I can&#8217;t tell you how many times I&#8217;ve just parroted something some dolt wrote on a blog when I finally do see it in the store. My opinion is  already formed and usually it&#8217;s one I have to actively ignore just to give the book a chance.<\/p>\n<p>-When a good monthly series is going, it&#8217;s fun to watch the fan base swell and hop on board &#8211; but when a graphic novel comes out, it&#8217;s like &#8220;Oh, I read that. Yeah. It&#8217;s ok.&#8221; or even if it&#8217;s awesome the reading experience is over in two hours or so. I read <em>Asterios Polyp<\/em> in two hours. Two hours! But <a href=\"http:\/\/www.drawnandquarterly.com\/shopCatalogLong.php?item=a3fe9b94b553b5\">Clyde Fans<\/a> I&#8217;ve been reading for like ten years, haha. It&#8217;s weird, no? A series can build for years and the experience can mirror that. Remember Moebius&#8217;s <em>Airtight Garage<\/em> was serialized. 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