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	<title>Comments on: Chris Ware: Drawing is a Way of Thinking</title>
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		<title>By: Jeet Heer</title>
		<link>http://comicscomicsmag.com/2010/03/chris-ware-drawing-is-a-way-of-thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-4957</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeet Heer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel C. Parmenter. I&#039;m thinking that a good reason for having Jeff Smith do the covers, aside from the fact that he&#039;s a gifted cartoonist and a Kelly fan, is the design of the character Bucky, the black member of Our Gang. In the context of the 1940s, Kelly was an anti-racist: Bucky is a very positive character, far less a stereotype than, say, Ebony White. But to 21st century eyes, Bucky&#039;s features are a bit to racially caricatured, especially his lips, compared to the white characters. You have to read Kelly&#039;s stories to appreciate what he was trying to do with Bucky. So using Smith made good sense for that reason alone, aside from other factors.

@Patrick Ford. Chris Ware didn&#039;t design The Kat Who Walked in Beauty book. That was Jacob Covey. But in general, a designer has to work with the publisher to figure out decisions about how many strips per page, etc. It&#039;s both an art and a commerical job, like designing a building. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel C. Parmenter. I&#8217;m thinking that a good reason for having Jeff Smith do the covers, aside from the fact that he&#8217;s a gifted cartoonist and a Kelly fan, is the design of the character Bucky, the black member of Our Gang. In the context of the 1940s, Kelly was an anti-racist: Bucky is a very positive character, far less a stereotype than, say, Ebony White. But to 21st century eyes, Bucky&#8217;s features are a bit to racially caricatured, especially his lips, compared to the white characters. You have to read Kelly&#8217;s stories to appreciate what he was trying to do with Bucky. So using Smith made good sense for that reason alone, aside from other factors.</p>
<p>@Patrick Ford. Chris Ware didn&#8217;t design The Kat Who Walked in Beauty book. That was Jacob Covey. But in general, a designer has to work with the publisher to figure out decisions about how many strips per page, etc. It&#8217;s both an art and a commerical job, like designing a building.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick ford</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reprint books designed by Seth, and Chris Ware can&#039;t really be compared to the Chip Kidd Schulz book which is a different kind of book. 
My problem with the Kidd book is it doesn&#039;t take full advantage of the access it had to the Schulz original art. 
A better comparison might be between the Kidd: Bat-Manga book and the above mentioned reprint books. Since I&#039;ve only flipped through the Bat-Manga book I can&#039;t really comment on it. 
One thing I noticed was the balloons and captions had been translated into English, and were type set with a font that looked like an old fashioned typewriter type face. I wonder how many people actually read the stories, and if not, if they felt the balloons and captions should have been left alone. 
Another thing I&#039;m curious about.
Does anyone know how much contol over the body a strip reprint book the designer has. 
I&#039;m sure it varies, but for example; would Chris Ware decide how many strips to fit to a page? What the margins were? The dimensions of the book? I assume it was Ware who chose the pale yellow paper the Gasoline Alley, and The Kat Who Walked In Beauty strips are printed on? Does the designer have any input as to the degree of restoration being done on the comics especially when they are in colour?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reprint books designed by Seth, and Chris Ware can&#8217;t really be compared to the Chip Kidd Schulz book which is a different kind of book.<br />
My problem with the Kidd book is it doesn&#8217;t take full advantage of the access it had to the Schulz original art.<br />
A better comparison might be between the Kidd: Bat-Manga book and the above mentioned reprint books. Since I&#8217;ve only flipped through the Bat-Manga book I can&#8217;t really comment on it.<br />
One thing I noticed was the balloons and captions had been translated into English, and were type set with a font that looked like an old fashioned typewriter type face. I wonder how many people actually read the stories, and if not, if they felt the balloons and captions should have been left alone.<br />
Another thing I&#8217;m curious about.<br />
Does anyone know how much contol over the body a strip reprint book the designer has.<br />
I&#8217;m sure it varies, but for example; would Chris Ware decide how many strips to fit to a page? What the margins were? The dimensions of the book? I assume it was Ware who chose the pale yellow paper the Gasoline Alley, and The Kat Who Walked In Beauty strips are printed on? Does the designer have any input as to the degree of restoration being done on the comics especially when they are in colour?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s 1 pm and I just woke up! 

Let&#039;s hope Bruce Mau doesn&#039;t silp into comics. I like architecture books &amp; all that but jeez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s 1 pm and I just woke up! </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope Bruce Mau doesn&#8217;t silp into comics. I like architecture books &amp; all that but jeez</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ T. Hodler: Thanks for the Staehle link. He writes, &quot;Lately, I keep trying to remind myself that I’m my most important client.&quot; Apologies to Ware, gastrointestinal juices to Staehle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ T. Hodler: Thanks for the Staehle link. He writes, &#8220;Lately, I keep trying to remind myself that I’m my most important client.&#8221; Apologies to Ware, gastrointestinal juices to Staehle.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel C. Parmenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel C. Parmenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeet, I&#039;m definitely looking forward to the book!

Jeff Smith&#039;s Walt Kelly reprint covers could also be mentioned. The OUR GANG covers I just glanced at over on the Fantagraphics site appear to be a completely original illustrations, though obviously Kelly-inspired. And yet, perhaps since OUR GANG has its own history and iconography, I find myself not particularly bothered by them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeet, I&#8217;m definitely looking forward to the book!</p>
<p>Jeff Smith&#8217;s Walt Kelly reprint covers could also be mentioned. The OUR GANG covers I just glanced at over on the Fantagraphics site appear to be a completely original illustrations, though obviously Kelly-inspired. And yet, perhaps since OUR GANG has its own history and iconography, I find myself not particularly bothered by them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeet Heer</title>
		<link>http://comicscomicsmag.com/2010/03/chris-ware-drawing-is-a-way-of-thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-4948</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeet Heer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel C. Parmenter. I discuss some of the issues you raise -- notably the difference between Walt and Skeezix on the one hand, and Krazy and Ignatz on the other -- at great length in the essay that&#039;s in Chris Ware; Drawing is a Way of Thinking. So I&#039;d encourage you and everyone else interested in the topic to look at the book when it&#039;s out.

But overall, I think we&#039;re all going to have to learn to agree to disagree on this issue. Some people see these books as Ware/Seth/Tomine/Kidd imposing their sensiblities on old or dead cartoonists. I just can&#039;t agree with that. For me, those books are clearly love letters, and a chance  (to pick one example) to share in Seth&#039;s love of Schulz. Since Seth knows more about cartooning than I ever will and has long lingered over Schulz&#039;s work, a chance to share in Seth&#039;s viewpoint helps deepen my own understanding of Peanuts. The same applies to Ware, Tomine, Kidd (and probably some others I&#039;m forgetting). What some people see as arrogance I see as a form of sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel C. Parmenter. I discuss some of the issues you raise &#8212; notably the difference between Walt and Skeezix on the one hand, and Krazy and Ignatz on the other &#8212; at great length in the essay that&#8217;s in Chris Ware; Drawing is a Way of Thinking. So I&#8217;d encourage you and everyone else interested in the topic to look at the book when it&#8217;s out.</p>
<p>But overall, I think we&#8217;re all going to have to learn to agree to disagree on this issue. Some people see these books as Ware/Seth/Tomine/Kidd imposing their sensiblities on old or dead cartoonists. I just can&#8217;t agree with that. For me, those books are clearly love letters, and a chance  (to pick one example) to share in Seth&#8217;s love of Schulz. Since Seth knows more about cartooning than I ever will and has long lingered over Schulz&#8217;s work, a chance to share in Seth&#8217;s viewpoint helps deepen my own understanding of Peanuts. The same applies to Ware, Tomine, Kidd (and probably some others I&#8217;m forgetting). What some people see as arrogance I see as a form of sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel C. Parmenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel C. Parmenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I immediateley thought of that Borges essay too. And I can totally see your point Jeet about Seth and Chris Ware making explicit the connection between their own work and that of the earlier cartoonists that they admire. But I just wish that in the particular case of Seth and Ware, they didn&#039;t have to be so heavy-handed about it.

I think Evan Dorkin hit the nail right on the head regarding Seth, all the books he designs end up looking like Seth books, regardless of who actually drew them.

What I find maddening about the Seth PEANUTS books in particular is that his &quot;design&quot; work goes so far as to alter the original drawings. I&#039;ve never understood the need to add shading/modelling to flat comic strip images. He might as well be drawing moustaches on the characters&#039; faces.

But Chris Ware&#039;s KRAZY KAT books bother me even more. At least with Seth&#039;s PEANUTS designs, we can see the influence of Schulz on Seth. Despite the addition of shading/modelling, the covers still at least seem to occur in the Peanuts universe. But it&#039;s difficult for me to see what relation there is between Chris Ware&#039;s KRAZY KAT designs and Herriman&#039;s work. For example, I&#039;m looking at the 1931-1932 volume &quot;A Kat a&#039;Lilt With Song&quot;, which seems to be designed to resemble old sheet-music. I&#039;m aware that old sheet music is one of Ware&#039;s interests, but what exactly does this have to do with KRAZY KAT? Even the covers where Ware includes vaguely southwestern/Native American designs seem wildly inappropriate to me even though I understand what he&#039;s getting at with the design, attempting to echo Herriman&#039;s own use of Native motifs. It&#039;s troubling, because I admire Chris Ware tremendously. But at the same time, I find those covers so annoying that I&#039;ve actually considered removing them and having the books rebound in single volumes.

That said, I&#039;m not really bothered at all by Ware&#039;s designs for the Walt &amp; Skeezix books where his approach seems much more directly influenced by the look of original strips. The Walt and Skeezix books seem like a genuine extension of Frank King&#039;s cartooning. I look at these books and think &quot;Frank King&quot;. I look at his KRAZY books and think &quot;Chris Ware&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I immediateley thought of that Borges essay too. And I can totally see your point Jeet about Seth and Chris Ware making explicit the connection between their own work and that of the earlier cartoonists that they admire. But I just wish that in the particular case of Seth and Ware, they didn&#8217;t have to be so heavy-handed about it.</p>
<p>I think Evan Dorkin hit the nail right on the head regarding Seth, all the books he designs end up looking like Seth books, regardless of who actually drew them.</p>
<p>What I find maddening about the Seth PEANUTS books in particular is that his &#8220;design&#8221; work goes so far as to alter the original drawings. I&#8217;ve never understood the need to add shading/modelling to flat comic strip images. He might as well be drawing moustaches on the characters&#8217; faces.</p>
<p>But Chris Ware&#8217;s KRAZY KAT books bother me even more. At least with Seth&#8217;s PEANUTS designs, we can see the influence of Schulz on Seth. Despite the addition of shading/modelling, the covers still at least seem to occur in the Peanuts universe. But it&#8217;s difficult for me to see what relation there is between Chris Ware&#8217;s KRAZY KAT designs and Herriman&#8217;s work. For example, I&#8217;m looking at the 1931-1932 volume &#8220;A Kat a&#8217;Lilt With Song&#8221;, which seems to be designed to resemble old sheet-music. I&#8217;m aware that old sheet music is one of Ware&#8217;s interests, but what exactly does this have to do with KRAZY KAT? Even the covers where Ware includes vaguely southwestern/Native American designs seem wildly inappropriate to me even though I understand what he&#8217;s getting at with the design, attempting to echo Herriman&#8217;s own use of Native motifs. It&#8217;s troubling, because I admire Chris Ware tremendously. But at the same time, I find those covers so annoying that I&#8217;ve actually considered removing them and having the books rebound in single volumes.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m not really bothered at all by Ware&#8217;s designs for the Walt &amp; Skeezix books where his approach seems much more directly influenced by the look of original strips. The Walt and Skeezix books seem like a genuine extension of Frank King&#8217;s cartooning. I look at these books and think &#8220;Frank King&#8221;. I look at his KRAZY books and think &#8220;Chris Ware&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick ford</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jeet. I noticed the solicitation in the most recent preview, but it&#039;s good to know the book is at the printers.
Amazing strip, and an amazing package due to the wealth of material from the King estate. 
By the time you are done with these I could see a biography of King being assembled from the parts for stand alone publication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jeet. I noticed the solicitation in the most recent preview, but it&#8217;s good to know the book is at the printers.<br />
Amazing strip, and an amazing package due to the wealth of material from the King estate.<br />
By the time you are done with these I could see a biography of King being assembled from the parts for stand alone publication.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeet Heer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeet Heer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 13:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrick Ford. Walt and Skeezix vol. 4 is at the printers right now and should hit book stands in the next 2 months or so. There will be lots of treats in that book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick Ford. Walt and Skeezix vol. 4 is at the printers right now and should hit book stands in the next 2 months or so. There will be lots of treats in that book.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick ford</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 13:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, I borrowed hooded utilitarian because it perfectly describes how I think a designer should go about his work when presenting the artwork of Schulz, Cole, Stanley, etc..
A hood hides a persons face. Utilitarian means something which is valued for how well it does it&#039;s basic job, rather than it&#039;s style. 
In Noah&#039;s case he&#039;s hardly hooded, but my guess is he picked the name because it could describe a masked slasher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, I borrowed hooded utilitarian because it perfectly describes how I think a designer should go about his work when presenting the artwork of Schulz, Cole, Stanley, etc..<br />
A hood hides a persons face. Utilitarian means something which is valued for how well it does it&#8217;s basic job, rather than it&#8217;s style.<br />
In Noah&#8217;s case he&#8217;s hardly hooded, but my guess is he picked the name because it could describe a masked slasher.</p>
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